EB: Joachim the golden prince

[Maria]

I wouldn't normally comment on others belief system but she put it out there and though I usually a lean towards the more liberal side of theology, in Christian terms she is an adulterer, read about Pauline theology on this subject. I never said that there is no love, mercy and forgiveness in Christianity but I am just calling it they way I see it.

Would you please provide the evidence Alex was an adulterer. Thanks!

RD is for gossiping and sharing opinions.  We're not required to provide evidence of our opinions.  They're just that...opinions and gossip, whether they're about Fred, Jokke, Mary, Alex, Beatrix, Mette Marit, etc., etc., etc.  kittytart obviously is not a fan of Alex's.  That's all right.  She can post her negative opinions and comments just like I can post my negative opinions about...er...Marie Chantal.  Just like many post their negative opinions about Fred.  If we're going to be asked for evidence for our opinions and gossip in  order to post anything, RD is going to have to close up shop.  And I'd hate for that to happen.  Isn't it more fun to read each other's comments, laugh at those we think ridiculous, and applaud those we think are right?  Sure, we can tell each other when we disagree with posted comments and gossip.  But come on!  Evidence is never required...in fact, it would seriously hamper RD's entertainment value!

Which in this case makes it even more appalling to me - using a religeous term like it was done here in the context of gossip, personal opinions and enterainment. Honestly - I think it's totally out of place

This is the last thing I will say on this subject. I wasn't going to say anything else as you Maria have asked us not to, then I notice you changed your mind and made a personal remark about me again.  
First of all Maria, if you want people to not talk about this particular subject, why do you continue to incite fellow posters to keep it going, as you have in the statement above??? For someone who has derided me for making judgements, I am at a loss to understand why you continue to pass judgement on me.

Secondly, I would never have made the comment on Alex's Faith or morals until she choose to put it on public record. Nor would I have under normal circumstances made any reference to the study I do or what I believe; this only came about to highlight that I was not completely ignorant on the subject. Plenty of people have talked in other threads about Fred being unfaithful, which in legal as well as religious terms is adultery too but I don't see "chicken boiling"there   .  If Fred or Mary went on public record about their "Faith", then would a thread about that be allowed???.............of course it would.

Finally, thank you Chris for pointing out what I too thought this board was about  . I don't like many of the Royal Princesses and I come to this board to have a laugh, be irreverent and gossip. We all make flippant and derogatory remarks here, I thought that was the point of the board, as long as we don't insult each other. I know I went out on a limb to cristicise Alex and I know dishing on her gets a pretty strong response but not one that became so personal.
On reflection I think I now know why   That is all I have to say about this subject, thank you  

As an admin I have the right to decided what topics I want or rather don't want discussed on this board. It can be tricky sometimes to find out when the line is crossed - I feel it was crossed here. Like I've said countless times now - IT IS NOT BECAUSE THIS IS ABOUT ALEXANDRA. You obviously don't believe me and I find that rather annoying (that's personal too ) It's the argument that gets to me here. I don't feel this is the place for us to start discussing religon the way you did it or politics - that has happened too a few times where we've asked for the subject to be dropped. We gossip, we give our opinions, we (try to) have fun - as the thread clearly shows the fun seems to go away fast when those topics come up. I simply don't see what's fun or entertaining or how it's simply gossip to sit there and pass a religious judgement on a person you don't know because of your personal impression or opinion. It could be anybody. It could be Frederik, it could be Mary, it could be any royal. I simply don't think there's room for that sort of talk on this board. If you've got further comments please send med a PM - I think we're done now.

[Hester]

One of the noticeable things about this board is that there are very, very few disagreements compared to, say, RB. Well done, everyone, and thanks Maria and Thomas for promulgating such a good culture here!

[MJ]

This is the last thing I will say on this subject.

Well I hope so since your comments have created tension on the thread when it wasn't necessary.

I wasn't going to say anything else as you Maria have asked us not to, then I notice you changed your mind and made a personal remark about me again. 
First of all Maria, if you want people to not talk about this particular subject, why do you continue to incite fellow posters to keep it going, as you have in the statement above??? For someone who has derided me for making judgements, I am at a loss to understand why you continue to pass judgement on me.

This imo is your problem.  You can't criticize the subject without stinging other fellow posters.  It's like the way you were putting down Hong Kong when you wanted to say Alex is greedy.  Maybe Alex is greedy, I don't know her personally so my judgement is as good as yours.  However, its disgusting the way you would talk down a place that you have never lived and the people living there.  Despite what your friends may tell you, its second hand information and as most educated people will agree it is often wise not to believe every word that others say.  So am I supposed to judge Australia and the Austrialians according to the judgements that I make against Mary or her family???

It is clearly not very Christian to spread negative, half baked 'facts' about a country or its people. Its is prejudice and only fuels the misunderstanding and hatred around the world between different cultures and nationalities. 
You did exactly the same thing with the Alex and her religion topic here, this is why some posters find your comments offensive. 

Secondly, I would never have made the comment on Alex's Faith or morals until she choose to put it on public record. Nor would I have under normal circumstances made any reference to the study I do or what I believe; this only came about to highlight that I was not completely ignorant on the subject. Plenty of people have talked in other threads about Fred being unfaithful, which in legal as well as religious terms is adultery too but I don't see "chicken boiling"there  .  If Fred or Mary went on public record about their "Faith", then would a thread about that be allowed???.............of course it would.

Actually, you have already made up your mind about her morals, or rather the lack of them when you called her a 'gold digging whore'. 
When asked whether you are privvy to info that we are not, since you are adamant of her being unfaithful you decided to take the step back and started defending your 'opinions'.  Is it a very Christian and neighbour loving to be prejudice to those we don't know?   

Finally, thank you Chris for pointing out what I too thought this board was about  . I don't like many of the Royal Princesses and I come to this board to have a laugh, be irreverent and gossip. We all make flippant and derogatory remarks here, I thought that was the point of the board, as long as we don't insult each other. I know I went out on a limb to cristicise Alex and I know dishing on her gets a pretty strong response but not one that became so personal.
On reflection I think I now know why  That is all I have to say about this subject, thank you 

So this is your idea of having a laugh?  To call a person that you don't know a "whore"?  Which church do you go to again?   
Yes, most of us do make derogatory comments from time to time but non of us have claimed to be a god fearing, neighbour loving, church going individual.  I can see that you live a life of contridictions and I am starting to pity you because you obviously have to vent all the bad stuff here to keep up appearances in the church community.   

[Hester]

Enough already! It's Christmas time!

[Pingo]

One of the noticeable things about this board is that there are very, very few disagreements compared to, say, RB. Well done, everyone, and thanks Maria and Thomas for promulgating such a good culture here!

that's usually because  you're either ignored or branded a troll if you disagree. It is becoming soooo sugar sweet with everyoone agreeing and thanking each other 

It is no secret how I feel about "Saint Alexandra" and dont wish to be drawn further on the subject, however I agree with kittytart that any criticism or negative comment about her seems to cause quite a reaction.

[kittytart]

Enough already! It's Christmas time!

I'll share a Christmas drink with Hester  , I have just had book club at my house and am in a festive mood.
Also I have an iggy button to block out negative vibes that might spoil my Christmas cheer, so I don"t know nor want to know what was said above.

[MJ]

Don't mean to rain on your parade, but it is the 5 Dec today!   

Anyway, thanks for the message Hester.  Here, have one on me 

[Maria]

One of the noticeable things about this board is that there are very, very few disagreements compared to, say, RB. Well done, everyone, and thanks Maria and Thomas for promulgating such a good culture here!

that's usually because  you're either ignored or branded a troll if you disagree. It is becoming soooo sugar sweet with everyoone agreeing and thanking each other 

It is no secret how I feel about "Saint Alexandra" and dont wish to be drawn further on the subject, however I agree with kittytart that any criticism or negative comment about her seems to cause quite a reaction.

If you get a tooth ache from this board I don't see why you're here If you don't like the smell get out of the kitchen or stop complaining If you go to discussion boards to bicker I really don't think this a place for you

[Maria]

This is the last thing I will say on this subject.

Well I hope so since your comments have created tension on the thread when it wasn't necessary.

I wasn't going to say anything else as you Maria have asked us not to, then I notice you changed your mind and made a personal remark about me again. 
First of all Maria, if you want people to not talk about this particular subject, why do you continue to incite fellow posters to keep it going, as you have in the statement above??? For someone who has derided me for making judgements, I am at a loss to understand why you continue to pass judgement on me.

This imo is your problem.  You can't criticize the subject without stinging other fellow posters.  It's like the way you were putting down Hong Kong when you wanted to say Alex is greedy.  Maybe Alex is greedy, I don't know her personally so my judgement is as good as yours.  However, its disgusting the way you would talk down a place that you have never lived and the people living there.  Despite what your friends may tell you, its second hand information and as most educated people will agree it is often wise not to believe every word that others say.  So am I supposed to judge Australia and the Austrialians according to the judgements that I make against Mary or her family???

It is clearly not very Christian to spread negative, half baked 'facts' about a country or its people. Its is prejudice and only fuels the misunderstanding and hatred around the world between different cultures and nationalities. 
You did exactly the same thing with the Alex and her religion topic here, this is why some posters find your comments offensive. 

Secondly, I would never have made the comment on Alex's Faith or morals until she choose to put it on public record. Nor would I have under normal circumstances made any reference to the study I do or what I believe; this only came about to highlight that I was not completely ignorant on the subject. Plenty of people have talked in other threads about Fred being unfaithful, which in legal as well as religious terms is adultery too but I don't see "chicken boiling"there  .  If Fred or Mary went on public record about their "Faith", then would a thread about that be allowed???.............of course it would.

Actually, you have already made up your mind about her morals, or rather the lack of them when you called her a 'gold digging whore'. 
When asked whether you are privvy to info that we are not, since you are adamant of her being unfaithful you decided to take the step back and started defending your 'opinions'.  Is it a very Christian and neighbour loving to be prejudice to those we don't know?   

Finally, thank you Chris for pointing out what I too thought this board was about  . I don't like many of the Royal Princesses and I come to this board to have a laugh, be irreverent and gossip. We all make flippant and derogatory remarks here, I thought that was the point of the board, as long as we don't insult each other. I know I went out on a limb to cristicise Alex and I know dishing on her gets a pretty strong response but not one that became so personal.
On reflection I think I now know why  That is all I have to say about this subject, thank you 

So this is your idea of having a laugh?  To call a person that you don't know a "whore"?  Which church do you go to again?   
Yes, most of us do make derogatory comments from time to time but non of us have claimed to be a god fearing, neighbour loving, church going individual.  I can see that you live a life of contridictions and I am starting to pity you because you obviously have to vent all the bad stuff here to keep up appearances in the church community.   

I think we should stop now, thanks

[Little_star]

I wouldn't normally comment on others belief system but she put it out there and though I usually a lean towards the more liberal side of theology, in Christian terms she is an adulterer, read about Pauline theology on this subject. I never said that there is no love, mercy and forgiveness in Christianity but I am just calling it they way I see it.

Would you please provide the evidence Alex was an adulterer. Thanks!

What sort of evidence???
Of course I have no evidence except gossip and innuendo that others have alluded to including Trine.

Glad to hear that you don't actually "know" any more than the others. Making clear that your posts are opinions would clear that up in future.

Do you have evidence for the post you made about Fred having affairs, probably not either  "Fred's never struck me as the "faithful" type, he's just so flaky. Plus these days there's a serious chill between these two for much of the time, so honestly speaking if he hasn't already, imo he will."
Most people just give their opinion on this board and have no "hard evidence" to back it up! This is a royal message board not a Court of Law

Except "most people" make it clear that they are giving their opinion, You have never done that and post everything as though it were a fact.

[Little_star]

then you need to change how things are phrased - because when I read this
"in Christian terms she is an adulterer,"
it is stated as fact, so if it is your opinion, you need to state that.  I always say if things are my opinion, that Mary is stuck up, snobby, badly dressed, etc. 

Thank you for that tip  I think I will use this in future and hopefully the same reaction will not ensue.

Great, looking forwad to your future posts.

[kittytart]

then you need to change how things are phrased - because when I read this
"in Christian terms she is an adulterer,"
it is stated as fact, so if it is your opinion, you need to state that.  I always say if things are my opinion, that Mary is stuck up, snobby, badly dressed, etc. 

Thank you for that tip  I think I will use this in future and hopefully the same reaction will not ensue.

Great, looking forwad to your future posts.

Thanks Littlestar  I have changed the way I post since this advice.

[lynda]

I forgot, what was the original question   

[fairy]

Yes, we digressed ... a bit...

[lynda]

EB today has  for the first time outlined the property that Jokke owns that adds up to several hundred million kroner.
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1. Her er perlen i prins Joachims kongerige. Schackenborg Slot, der blev opført i 1664 og i forbindelse med hans bryllup med ekskonen Alexandra blev sat fuldstændigt i stand ved hjælp af en såkaldt folkegave. Slottet er på 1632 kvm og rummer 41 værelser.

2.Portnerboligen, der er opført i 1652, er på 292 kvm og rummer Schackenborg Godskontor og 167 kvm til beboelse, der er lejet ud.

3.Out house : Som alle andre har prins Joachim et udhus til haveredskaber og den slags ting. På Schackenborg kaldes den 278 kvm store bygning for Servicehuset. Det er bygget i 1785.

4.Garage House: Divided into two apartments.
Her er chaufførboligen, hvor grevinde Alexandras forældre, Christa og Richard Manley, stadig er tilmeldt en fireværelseslejlighed på 1. sal. Der er også en i stuen. Den er på fire værelser og 100 kvm. Bygningen er opført i 1770.

5.A farm Røj with a  456 sq m farm house where his right hand man and his fam live.And barns/out buildings of over 4000 sq.m
 Her på gården Røj bor prins Joachims højre hånd, godsforvalter Søren Frederiksen, med sin familie. Det ret nyistandsatte stuehus er på 456 kvm og rummer 14 værelser plus et kontor. Huset er opført i 1910. Omkring det ligger driftsbygninger på over 4000 kvm.

6.Another farm Slotsfelt with a house from 1883 that has seen better days.There are two apartments in the house and buildings of 800sq. m
Gården Slotsfelt har set bedre dage. Hovedbygningen fra 1883 har fået et nyt tag, men murværkets fuger trænger både ude og inde til en ordentlig omgang. Og husets vinduer trænger til udskiftning. Der er to lejligheder i huset, begge på fire værelser. Den ene på 99 kvm, den anden på 128 kvm. Omkring Slotsfelt ligger driftsbygninger på godt 800 kvm.

7.A log cabin of 230 sq.m  with 6 rooms.Her på Guldhornsvej i Gallehus ejer prinsen et skovhus på 230 kvm, der rummer seks værelser. Huset, der er fra 1830, har netop fået en omgang.

8.Rosinfelt farm: The house is divided into 2 apts,a 6 room 151 s.m apt and a 129 4 roomed.the house lies on land that Jokke produces 30.000 xmas trees.
På Rosinfeltvej ligger Joachims gård, der har givet navn til vejen, nemlig Rosinfelt. Stuehuset rummer to lejligheder. En seksværelses på 151 kvm og en fireværelses på 129 kvm. Huset er opført i 1873 og ligger midt i det område, hvor prinsen årligt producerer ca. 30.000 juletræer. Så der er i øjeblikket travlhed.

9.In the middle of the  xmas tree area,another 110 sq.m 3 room log cabin.
 Midt i juletræsområdet ejer Joachim også dette 110 kvm store treværelsesskovhus. Det blev bygget i 1914, og tæt ved ligger en avlsbygning på 157 kvm.

10.S.West  Møgetønder :another property.The house Sødamgård is 200 sq.m and has 6 rooms.
Sydvest for Møgeltønder ejer prins Joachim en dejlig marsk ejendom med stråtag. Huset kaldes Sødamgård og rummer 200 kvm beboelse og seks værelser. Den ligger, som en marskejendom skal, hævet over området, så vandet ikke kan nå den. Huset er bygget i 1770 og har en indbygget garage på 74 kvm og et udhus på 47 kvm.

11.Another house by Sølvig farm: 5 room 107 sq m red stone.
Ved siden af Solvig ejer prins Joachim et rødstenshus, der er opført i 1961. Husets 107 kvm rummer fire værelser.

12.Solvig farm: Main buldings 397 sq.m,16 rooms 2000 sq.m of barns/buildings.
 En af prins Joachims gårde, Solvig, ligger en halv snes kilometer øst for Tønder. Ud over hovedbygningen på 397 kvm, der rummer 16 værelser, og oprindelig stammer fra 1768, er der over 2000 kvm avls- og driftsbygninger. En handyman kunne godt få et års fritid til at gå på Solvig.

13.Gardner cottage:180 sq.m 6 rooms
Her er gartnerboligen, hvor der er 180 kvm beboelse med seks værelser og en erhvervsdel på 86 kvm og to værelser. Bygningen er opført i 1893.

14.On Røjvej,Jokke owns a 126 sq.m 6 room family house.
På Røjvej ejer prins Joachim også et enfamiliehus på 126 kvm og seks værelser. Det er opført i 1958 og moderniseret i år 2000.

Thought this was interesting................