Martin Jørgensen feature

[Maria]

Maria, I'm not saying she is worse than any other royal mother, I'm saying she's no saint mother and there is no need to make her better than other royal moms (well, except maybe one).
But hey, this argument (or similar ones) about Alex has been seen on the board before and never really reached a final conclusion, so let's just agree to disagree I have a feeling we won't reach an agreement on the subject.

I know we won't I do mind though, that it's being implied that I'm calling Alex a saint or an "exceptionally" good mother. I have done neither. Marrying Martin (or getting together with him in the first place) was a huge mistake IMO. But it does not change what she did as a princess OR that her children seems to thriving.

[Lille]

I never really followed why Alex should be such an exceptionally good mother. The boys also spent a lot of time with nannies. As far as I remember Alex never left the house...sorry castle...without a nanny or two. And she always brought a nanny on her private holidays to Hong Kong. Could it be that the boys are so well-mannered because they have an exceptionally good father??

They spend most of their time with Alex in Copenhagen and have been doing that since the divorce. No doubt they've spent a lot of time with nannies when they were younger but it's been years since any nannies have been used, I believe. Questioning how someone is a mother just because you don't like them is quite unfair IMO

Doesn't change the fact that the nannies were around the boys most of the time when they were younger...and I have every right to question how she is as a mother when she brings a nanny on private holidays. Seems to me she wasn't mother enough to handle her own kids while visiting her own family.

How do you know that nannies were around "most of the time"? And if they were - wouldn't that also have been Joachim's responsibility?Anyway - show me a royal mother who doesn't have nannies attached to their hips. If that makes you a bad mother, ALL royal mother are bad mothers. I don't think one can draw that conclusion. I think one has to look at the child to see how well is seems to be thriving in order to get an idea of how good a mother is. Nikolaj and Felix seems to be happy children - I think both Alexandra and Joachim can be credited for that.

Yes, Maria, I agree but Joachim was way more responsible in the choice of step parent for them

I like Marie a lot more than I like Martin, but I don't know if we can know how things really are for them in private. Anyway - Martin is an ass and he shouldn't even try (if he is) to take over any of Joachim's territory. I really hope he doesn't

But I do agree with you here

[Lille]

Maria, I'm not saying she is worse than any other royal mother, I'm saying she's no saint mother and there is no need to make her better than other royal moms (well, except maybe one).
But hey, this argument (or similar ones) about Alex has been seen on the board before and never really reached a final conclusion, so let's just agree to disagree I have a feeling we won't reach an agreement on the subject.

I know we won't I do mind though, that it's being implied that I'm calling Alex a saint or an "exceptionally" good mother. I have done neither. Marrying Martin (or getting together with him in the first place) was a huge mistake IMO. But it does not change what she did as a princess OR that her children seems to thrivi :)ng.

Ok

[wear]

This is why I get confused when people go on about how classy Alex is; I think Martin is deeply trashy at every possible level and yet she chose him .

Yes, yes, ITA. When men make choices like this, we say they are thinking with a certain body part. I think it is the case with Alex as well. That, and a mid-life crisis. Somehow, I do not see these two growing old together. Alex seems to be very much above his intellectual level. Why couldn't she find a younger cute guy with an actual brain? 

because younger cute guys with an actual brain would go for actual cute girls with brains.

[thrilla]

I can't stand him. Direct quotes from Martin "my pants like to strangle my ass and balls and the top buttons on my two-sizes too small shirts routinely fall off all on their own" Jørgensen:

I don't know if you truely deserve a star for having me spit out my coffee and almost choke to death.
Direct quotes from Martin... Geez for a moment I dreamed he had truely said that... 
  thanks for the laugh...

Sorry if you nearly died. Please stay with us! 

Gave you a star in the Rigmor Zobel thread for your great posts there, otherwise I'd return the favor here.

[Little_star]

I know we won't I do mind though, that it's being implied that I'm calling Alex a saint or an "exceptionally" good mother. I have done neither. Marrying Martin (or getting together with him in the first place) was a huge mistake IMO. But it does not change what she did as a princess OR that her children seems to thriving.

Great post, Maria.  That's the way I feel too.

I think Alex went down in a lot of people's minds (mine included) when she married Martin because he does seem to be a dubious character. Hwoever, from what I've seen of him in vidoes and photos he does seem to care about Felix and Nikolai and they both seem very close to him. There have been photos of them in public with him and they have been reaching for his hand; not the other way around.

[lynda]

Thats true, the boys seems to really love him...............and I sure he caters to that in every way.....they are his MEAL TICKET.
If the boys hated him, it would change Alex's attitude towards Sleezy Martin--and he would find himself out of his porn butt......because I do think Alex does put her boys welfare ahead of her own sexual needs

[agapi]

Doesn't bother you,that he seems to love two strange boys and not his own daughter? Well,I don't blame him, his own daughter isn't a princess,didn't make him famous and jet setter,his own daughter isn't followed by paparazzi all the time.
BTW,boys are clever enough to understand what Martin really is: A toy boy for their mother and just an other toy for them

[danishorphan]

Maria, I'm not saying she is worse than any other royal mother, I'm saying she's no saint mother and there is no need to make her better than other royal moms (well, except maybe one).
But hey, this argument (or similar ones) about Alex has been seen on the board before and never really reached a final conclusion, so let's just agree to disagree I have a feeling we won't reach an agreement on the subject.

I know we won't I do mind though, that it's being implied that I'm calling Alex a saint or an "exceptionally" good mother. I have done neither. Marrying Martin (or getting together with him in the first place) was a huge mistake IMO. But it does not change what she did as a princess OR that her children seems to thriving.

yup, huge mistake. how many of your girls ever made a mistake in choosing the wrong man? Sometimes i just cringe as some of my previous choices and im sure she will too one day...it is almost absurd that someone lke him married an ex royal!!! she is definitely slumming these days!

[Jane]

We don't know  what the timing of her break up with Jkke was  but I think she should have waited longer before re-partnering. She could have found someone better than this immature sleaze.

[dutchess]

We don't know  what the timing of her break up with Jkke was  but I think she should have waited longer before re-partnering. She could have found someone better than this immature sleaze.

They both (Jokke as well) rushed into their new relationship. They must have been really miserable with eachother the last few years of their marriage.

[joys54]

You're right Jane, we're all not sure about the timing of the start up of each relationship.  However, something I read in the Copenhagen Post a couple of years ago led me to believe that Alexandra and Martin started prior to the end of the marriage.  As usual, gossip rules in the news, but I do remember reading that but again, NONE OF US know for certain.

[Cara]

You're right Jane, we're all not sure about the timing of the start up of each relationship.  However, something I read in the Copenhagen Post a couple of years ago led me to believe that Alexandra and Martin started prior to the end of the marriage.  As usual, gossip rules in the news, but I do remember reading that but again, NONE OF US know for certain.

and marie gave her number to a still married jokke.

[Maria]

You're right Jane, we're all not sure about the timing of the start up of each relationship.  However, something I read in the Copenhagen Post a couple of years ago led me to believe that Alexandra and Martin started prior to the end of the marriage.  As usual, gossip rules in the news, but I do remember reading that but again, NONE OF US know for certain.

and marie gave her number to a still married jokke.

I think Alex and Joachim were done for a long time before they divorced and were "forced" by Margrethe to remain married until Fred got married. As such I don't think either should be blamed for cheating - since we don't and never will know why they split up.

[Little_star]

ITA Maria.

I used to think Joachim was the "guilty" party, however imo I think they were probably over a long time befoe they actually split. Apparently there were some rumours just before Felix was born that they were having dificulties.