If you had been in Marie's shoes when she met Joachim...?

[Cece]

(Btw, I don't see any wrong thing with giving email address to married men (with or without any children) since many business people give their business card with email address on it to their potential future clients (esp the rich one) without asking their marriage status).

I agree with you, Galuh. 

[chicken]

i think it's all a matter of context and intention.

I beleive marie said in her doco that he was separated at the time they met?  That's often a trap for women who's new "boyfirends" go back  to their wives...however it all depends on what jokke told her of his situation imo. 

however if he was working on a reconciliation with alex etc at the time and she gave him her email hoping for a romance, that's not cool imo.  There's a big difference between someone giving their business card and expecting communication from a married person on a business level, versus giving your card hoping a date is going to be happening....

chick

[Gwen]

IMO there were never any attempts at a reconciliation for Joachim and Alexandra. Remember that her house was purchased on the day of Frederik's wedding, and that was before the announcement of the separation, which said clearly that they planned to divorce. I think the decision to end the marriage was made long before anyone knew.

And I for one don't believe the sequence of events as either Joachim, Alexandra and Marie tell it. In my view there are clear indications that third parties were involved. I'm inclined to think that Alexandra was the first, she seems to me a person who would be very determined and sure of herself in her actions, I don't think she covered up her attraction to Martin, I can imagine her speaking frankly about the change in her feelings. As for Joachim and Marie, they have been purposely vague about the timing, he was probably still married but already preparing to announce the separation in public, which makes me think the marriage was dead for a long time, probably right after the birth of Felix, if not before. Whichever it was, Joachim had clearly moved on and obviously so had Alexandra, in which case I can hardly blame him.

[chicken]

IMO there were never any attempts at a reconciliation for Joachim and Alexandra. Remember that her house was purchased on the day of Frederik's wedding, and that was before the announcement of the separation, which said clearly that they planned to divorce. I think the decision to end the marriage was made long before anyone knew.

And I for one don't believe the sequence of events as either Joachim, Alexandra and Marie tell it. In my view there are clear indications that third parties were involved. I'm inclined to think that Alexandra was the first, she seems to me a person who would be very determined and sure of herself in her actions, I don't think she covered up her attraction to Martin, I can imagine her speaking frankly about the change in her feelings. As for Joachim and Marie, they have been purposely vague about the timing, he was probably still married but already preparing to announce the separation in public, which makes me think the marriage was dead for a long time, probably right after the birth of Felix, if not before. Whichever it was, Joachim had clearly moved on and obviously so had Alexandra, in which case I can hardly blame him.

good points gwen.  but are you suggesting jokke was with marie prior to the official announcement of separation, and indeed the actual separation?  I'm not at all sure of Marie and Jokke timelines...from my recollection, their "romance" was uncovered when they were photographed together in france....some time in 2006?  anyone know more about marie and jokke timelines?

chick

[Gwen]

Chicken, according to an answer they gave during the engagement press conference, Marie and Joachim met in 2002, in Denmark at a hunting party.

http://royaldish.com/index.php/topic,960.30.html

Edited to Add: In my opinion, the first photos of Joachim and Marie in France were arranged beforehand, there was nothing candid about them.

[Prinzessa]

... would you have been afraid of getting involved with a man who'd been married once ?

If divorce would be a rare thing in Europe...then yes. But 50% get divorced. And surely not just because one or both partners are monsters.
Bonbon knows the concept of second partners out of her own family. Besides she might have realised, she is very different to wife #1, which might have helped her in her decision 
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Well, what I really meant were all those rumours about his moody and difficult character being part of his marriage breakdown. That cant be easy to put up with, prince or no prince.

[CD.]

If I had been in Marie's shoes I would have thought this man is married with small children, as he was at the time.

 

[CD.]

IMO there were never any attempts at a reconciliation for Joachim and Alexandra. Remember that her house was purchased on the day of Frederik's wedding, and that was before the announcement of the separation, which said clearly that they planned to divorce. I think the decision to end the marriage was made long before anyone knew.

And I for one don't believe the sequence of events as either Joachim, Alexandra and Marie tell it. In my view there are clear indications that third parties were involved. I'm inclined to think that Alexandra was the first, she seems to me a person who would be very determined and sure of herself in her actions, I don't think she covered up her attraction to Martin, I can imagine her speaking frankly about the change in her feelings. As for Joachim and Marie, they have been purposely vague about the timing, he was probably still married but already preparing to announce the separation in public, which makes me think the marriage was dead for a long time, probably right after the birth of Felix, if not before. Whichever it was, Joachim had clearly moved on and obviously so had Alexandra, in which case I can hardly blame him.

Agree.

[Little_star]

IMO there were never any attempts at a reconciliation for Joachim and Alexandra. Remember that her house was purchased on the day of Frederik's wedding, and that was before the announcement of the separation, which said clearly that they planned to divorce. I think the decision to end the marriage was made long before anyone knew.

And I for one don't believe the sequence of events as either Joachim, Alexandra and Marie tell it. In my view there are clear indications that third parties were involved. I'm inclined to think that Alexandra was the first, she seems to me a person who would be very determined and sure of herself in her actions, I don't think she covered up her attraction to Martin, I can imagine her speaking frankly about the change in her feelings. As for Joachim and Marie, they have been purposely vague about the timing, he was probably still married but already preparing to announce the separation in public, which makes me think the marriage was dead for a long time, probably right after the birth of Felix, if not before. Whichever it was, Joachim had clearly moved on and obviously so had Alexandra, in which case I can hardly blame him.

Great post Gwen. 

Their marriage was dead long before it was announced to the public IMO.

[Maria]

Their marriage was dead long before it was announced to the public IMO.

I think so too

[royal observer]

No doubt about it. Both Alex and Joachim were photographed at public functions looking miserable for months before the official announcement of a split.

[thrilla]

I don't think I would ever be in her shoes as I don't give out my emailadress to married men (with or without very young children)........

Well, I do. I'm married myself and if I meet fun people at parties - male or female, married or not - I used to exchange email addresses and now I just facebook befriend them. I don't see anything wrong with that.

[dutchess]

I don't think I would ever be in her shoes as I don't give out my emailadress to married men (with or without very young children)........

Well, I do. I'm married myself and if I meet fun people at parties - male or female, married or not - I used to exchange email addresses and now I just facebook befriend them. I don't see anything wrong with that.

Maybe not, but in this case... Hello Tiara.... hello Castle......

[Little_star]

I don't think I would ever be in her shoes as I don't give out my emailadress to married men (with or without very young children)........

Well, I do. I'm married myself and if I meet fun people at parties - male or female, married or not - I used to exchange email addresses and now I just facebook befriend them. I don't see anything wrong with that.

Me neither.

They're married not banned from making friends.

[danishorphan]

It would be very tempting given that J is well educated and cultured and fluent in several languages. However, the smoking thing doesnt really jive with his intelligence. How sad. But Im with Maria, LS, PC and the others who said smoking was a dealbreaker! No go!