Nikolai gets hurt while visiting a restaurant with Alexandra

[royal observer]

Allowing Nikolai to run around a restaurant shows a lack of respect for the other customers who were there to enjoy a meal.

    Children half that age can sit down and enjoy a meal at a restaurant without disturbing other customers. Alex should try and teach her children better manners!!

Agreed that children should be told to sit and not run around at restaurant. But aren't you making a huge assumption that Alex did NOT teach and tell Nikolai to sit still, and being an active child, he just didn't listen? Considering how both Nikolai and Felix are normally very well-behaved children (take a look at how they behaved at J&M's wedding as well as during Prince Henrik's birthday celebrations) and it's obvious that Alex DOES teach her children good manners!

I love to see the next time one of your children (if you have children) misbehaves and run around in public- and someone shaking their finger at you saying that you should be teaching your children good manners!   

Maybe the reason that Nakolai and Felix were well behaved at Joachim and Marie's wedding, Henrik's birthday celebrations etc. Is because they have a father there, that teaches them how to behave and conduct themselves in public. Then its a different story when they are with their mother. 

Again, you're making HUGE assumptions with no facts to back them up.

Any woman who chose the sleaze bag Martin to be their children's step parent and play important part of her children lives. In my view, shows bad judgement as a parent.

And you're letting your dislike for Martin cloud YOUR judgment. Just because you don't like the way he looks doesn't mean he's a sleazebag. Daniel and Joachim both look weird as well - does that mean they're "sleazebags" as well? From all the photos and documentary videos I've seen, Martin is a wonderful step-father, he spends time taking care of them,being with them, and Nikolai and Felix obviously adore him.

I am not basing my judgement on Martin on physical apperences.

Martin is a sleaze bag because of a number of factors. These factors include, investing money in the porn industry. The fact that he never had a real job. Also, the fact that he chose not to have a relationship with his own biological daughter. Lastly, because he has said some really dumb things to the media. These factors make me question Alex's judgement in allowing him to become step parents of her two sons.

Well the first 3 things you mentioned I agree with. However, he has shown that he is a very good step-dad to the boys. If you've seen that documentary which followed Nikolai from the time he was born, you can see the wonderful relationship and interaction Martin has with the boys and they with him.

He could of come across as a wonderful step- parent in the documentary, because he was aware that a camera was filming him. 

True. But what about Nikolai and Felix running up to him, hugging him, shouting, "Martin, Martin", laughing and joking with him, playing with him, etc? Were they  "acting" for the cameras as well? And THAT many times, and at different ages? Not likely! It's obviousl they share a warm relationship.

[Paddy1311]

Allowing Nikolai to run around a restaurant shows a lack of respect for the other customers who were there to enjoy a meal.

    Children half that age can sit down and enjoy a meal at a restaurant without disturbing other customers. Alex should try and teach her children better manners!!

Agreed that children should be told to sit and not run around at restaurant. But aren't you making a huge assumption that Alex did NOT teach and tell Nikolai to sit still, and being an active child, he just didn't listen? Considering how both Nikolai and Felix are normally very well-behaved children (take a look at how they behaved at J&M's wedding as well as during Prince Henrik's birthday celebrations) and it's obvious that Alex DOES teach her children good manners!

I love to see the next time one of your children (if you have children) misbehaves and run around in public- and someone shaking their finger at you saying that you should be teaching your children good manners!    

Maybe the reason that Nakolai and Felix were well behaved at Joachim and Marie's wedding, Henrik's birthday celebrations etc. Is because they have a father there, that teaches them how to behave and conduct themselves in public. Then its a different story when they are with their mother.  

Again, you're making HUGE assumptions with no facts to back them up.

Any woman who chose the sleaze bag Martin to be their children's step parent and play important part of her children lives. In my view, shows bad judgement as a parent.

And you're letting your dislike for Martin cloud YOUR judgment. Just because you don't like the way he looks doesn't mean he's a sleazebag. Daniel and Joachim both look weird as well - does that mean they're "sleazebags" as well? From all the photos and documentary videos I've seen, Martin is a wonderful step-father, he spends time taking care of them,being with them, and Nikolai and Felix obviously adore him.

I am not basing my judgement on Martin on physical apperences.

Martin is a sleaze bag because of a number of factors. These factors include, investing money in the porn industry. The fact that he never had a real job. Also, the fact that he chose not to have a relationship with his own biological daughter. Lastly, because he has said some really dumb things to the media. These factors make me question Alex's judgement in allowing him to become step parents of her two sons.

Well the first 3 things you mentioned I agree with. However, he has shown that he is a very good step-dad to the boys. If you've seen that documentary which followed Nikolai from the time he was born, you can see the wonderful relationship and interaction Martin has with the boys and they with him.

He could of come across as a wonderful step- parent in the documentary, because he was aware that a camera was filming him.  

True. But what about Nikolai and Felix running up to him, hugging him, shouting, "Martin, Martin", laughing and joking with him, playing with him, etc? Were they  "acting" for the cameras as well? And THAT many times, and at different ages? Not likely! It's obviousl they share a warm relationship.

Maybe, now Martin can attempt to build a warm relationship with his own daughter.  

Martin also knows that Nikolai and Felix are his meal ticket so to speak.

[Paddy1311]

He's a child - show me a child that always behaves, and I'll be worried. Seriously. All kids miss-behave from time to time. It's normal.

It'll be good to see everyone bearing this in mind at Victoria's wedding.

Excellent point, Jane. 

[royal observer]

Allowing Nikolai to run around a restaurant shows a lack of respect for the other customers who were there to enjoy a meal.

    Children half that age can sit down and enjoy a meal at a restaurant without disturbing other customers. Alex should try and teach her children better manners!!

Agreed that children should be told to sit and not run around at restaurant. But aren't you making a huge assumption that Alex did NOT teach and tell Nikolai to sit still, and being an active child, he just didn't listen? Considering how both Nikolai and Felix are normally very well-behaved children (take a look at how they behaved at J&M's wedding as well as during Prince Henrik's birthday celebrations) and it's obvious that Alex DOES teach her children good manners!

I love to see the next time one of your children (if you have children) misbehaves and run around in public- and someone shaking their finger at you saying that you should be teaching your children good manners!    

Maybe the reason that Nakolai and Felix were well behaved at Joachim and Marie's wedding, Henrik's birthday celebrations etc. Is because they have a father there, that teaches them how to behave and conduct themselves in public. Then its a different story when they are with their mother.  

Again, you're making HUGE assumptions with no facts to back them up.

Any woman who chose the sleaze bag Martin to be their children's step parent and play important part of her children lives. In my view, shows bad judgement as a parent.

And you're letting your dislike for Martin cloud YOUR judgment. Just because you don't like the way he looks doesn't mean he's a sleazebag. Daniel and Joachim both look weird as well - does that mean they're "sleazebags" as well? From all the photos and documentary videos I've seen, Martin is a wonderful step-father, he spends time taking care of them,being with them, and Nikolai and Felix obviously adore him.

I am not basing my judgement on Martin on physical apperences.

Martin is a sleaze bag because of a number of factors. These factors include, investing money in the porn industry. The fact that he never had a real job. Also, the fact that he chose not to have a relationship with his own biological daughter. Lastly, because he has said some really dumb things to the media. These factors make me question Alex's judgement in allowing him to become step parents of her two sons.

Well the first 3 things you mentioned I agree with. However, he has shown that he is a very good step-dad to the boys. If you've seen that documentary which followed Nikolai from the time he was born, you can see the wonderful relationship and interaction Martin has with the boys and they with him.

He could of come across as a wonderful step- parent in the documentary, because he was aware that a camera was filming him.  

True. But what about Nikolai and Felix running up to him, hugging him, shouting, "Martin, Martin", laughing and joking with him, playing with him, etc? Were they  "acting" for the cameras as well? And THAT many times, and at different ages? Not likely! It's obviousl they share a warm relationship.

Maybe, now Martin can attempt to build a warm relationship with his own daughter.  

Martin also knows that Nikolai and Felix are his meal ticket so to speak.

This discussion is getting WAY off topic. We were talking about Nikolai's accident at the restaurant not about Martin's lack of relationship with his biological daughter. Regardless if what Martin's "motivations" are for having such a great relationship with his stepsons, the point is he does! So suggesting that Alex is a bad parent somehow because she chose a husband who in fact has a wonderful relationship with the boys (regardless of why) is not a convincing argument IMO

[Paddy1311]

Most threads diff off topic and change direction from the original topic. I don't know why your making an issue of it in this case.   

For the record I never stated that Alex is a bad mother. I just think there are times when Alex's shows bad judgement as a mother. And allowing Martin to be her sons step father is an example of Alex's bad judgement as a mother.

[Cara]

Allowing Nikolai to run around a restaurant shows a lack of respect for the other customers who were there to enjoy a meal.

    Children half that age can sit down and enjoy a meal at a restaurant without disturbing other customers. Alex should try and teach her children better manners!!

totally agree. a 10 year old is perfectly able to sit still through a meal at a restaurant and behave. 

[Maria]

Allowing Nikolai to run around a restaurant shows a lack of respect for the other customers who were there to enjoy a meal.

    Children half that age can sit down and enjoy a meal at a restaurant without disturbing other customers. Alex should try and teach her children better manners!!

totally agree. a 10 year old is perfectly able to sit still through a meal at a restaurant and behave. 

Am glad you'll never get to see my kids at a restaurant

[Maria]

He's a child - show me a child that always behaves, and I'll be worried. Seriously. All kids miss-behave from time to time. It's normal.

It'll be good to see everyone bearing this in mind at Victoria's wedding.

Point taken - but two things; like I said (and you didn't quote that for some reason..) - Nikolaj and Felix have always behaved well at official occasions. Also I think people are looking forward to Mary's behaviour - not so much Christians

[Maria]

Most threads diff off topic and change direction from the original topic. I don't know why your making an issue of it in this case.   

For the record I never stated that Alex is a bad mother. I just think there are times when Alex's shows bad judgement as a mother. And allowing Martin to be her sons step father is an example of Alex's bad judgement as a mother.

Parents aren't 100% responsible for the behaviour of their children - and the older they get, the less IMO.

Also if Alex is showing bag judgement for allowing Martin to being the children's step-father, so is Joachim for not putting his foot down, if Martin is such a bad influence.

[royal observer]

Most threads diff off topic and change direction from the original topic. I don't know why your making an issue of it in this case. 

Not making an "issue" of it - just suggesting that we get back on topic 

For the record I never stated that Alex is a bad mother. I just think there are times when Alex's shows bad judgement as a mother. And allowing Martin to be her sons step father is an example of Alex's bad judgement as a mother.

Don't agree that allowing Martin to be her sons step-father is bad judgement - he clearly love the boys and they clearly love him. Also, saying that Alex has bad judgement as a mother and saying that Alex is a bad mother is pretty much the same thing IMO.

[royal observer]

Allowing Nikolai to run around a restaurant shows a lack of respect for the other customers who were there to enjoy a meal.

    Children half that age can sit down and enjoy a meal at a restaurant without disturbing other customers. Alex should try and teach her children better manners!!

Agreed that children should be told to sit and not run around at restaurant. But aren't you making a huge assumption that Alex did NOT teach and tell Nikolai to sit still, and being an active child, he just didn't listen? Considering how both Nikolai and Felix are normally very well-behaved children (take a look at how they behaved at J&M's wedding as well as during Prince Henrik's birthday celebrations) and it's obvious that Alex DOES teach her children good manners!

I love to see the next time one of your children (if you have children) misbehaves and run around in public- and someone shaking their finger at you saying that you should be teaching your children good manners!    

Maybe the reason that Nakolai and Felix were well behaved at Joachim and Marie's wedding, Henrik's birthday celebrations etc. Is because they have a father there, that teaches them how to behave and conduct themselves in public. Then its a different story when they are with their mother.  

Again, you're making HUGE assumptions with no facts to back them up.

Any woman who chose the sleaze bag Martin to be their children's step parent and play important part of her children lives. In my view, shows bad judgement as a parent.

And you're letting your dislike for Martin cloud YOUR judgment. Just because you don't like the way he looks doesn't mean he's a sleazebag. Daniel and Joachim both look weird as well - does that mean they're "sleazebags" as well? From all the photos and documentary videos I've seen, Martin is a wonderful step-father, he spends time taking care of them,being with them, and Nikolai and Felix obviously adore him.

I am not basing my judgement on Martin on physical apperences.

Martin is a sleaze bag because of a number of factors. These factors include, investing money in the porn industry. The fact that he never had a real job. Also, the fact that he chose not to have a relationship with his own biological daughter. Lastly, because he has said some really dumb things to the media. These factors make me question Alex's judgement in allowing him to become step parents of her two sons.

Well the first 3 things you mentioned I agree with. However, he has shown that he is a very good step-dad to the boys. If you've seen that documentary which followed Nikolai from the time he was born, you can see the wonderful relationship and interaction Martin has with the boys and they with him.

He could of come across as a wonderful step- parent in the documentary, because he was aware that a camera was filming him.  

True. But what about Nikolai and Felix running up to him, hugging him, shouting, "Martin, Martin", laughing and joking with him, playing with him, etc? Were they  "acting" for the cameras as well? And THAT many times, and at different ages? Not likely! It's obviousl they share a warm relationship.

Maybe, now Martin can attempt to build a warm relationship with his own daughter.  

From what little that people have been able to find out about his daughter, there was talk that it was actually the girl's mother who didn't want Martin to be involved - so who knows what the true circumstances are? The point is even if it's all his fault and he's a bad father, he is a great step-father!

Martin also knows that Nikolai and Felix are his meal ticket so to speak.

[royal observer]

Most threads diff off topic and change direction from the original topic. I don't know why your making an issue of it in this case.   

For the record I never stated that Alex is a bad mother. I just think there are times when Alex's shows bad judgement as a mother. And allowing Martin to be her sons step father is an example of Alex's bad judgement as a mother.

Parents aren't 100% responsible for the behaviour of their children - and the older they get, the less IMO.

Also if Alex is showing bag judgement for allowing Martin to being the children's step-father, so is Joachim for not putting his foot down, if Martin is such a bad influence.

Excellent point Maria! And I also find it ludicrous for people to suggest that when the boys behave (like at public functions) it must be because of Joachim's great parenting, and when they misbehave, it's because of Alex's bad parenting. S

[Paula]

Allowing Nikolai to run around a restaurant shows a lack of respect for the other customers who were there to enjoy a meal.

    Children half that age can sit down and enjoy a meal at a restaurant without disturbing other customers. Alex should try and teach her children better manners!!

totally agree. a 10 year old is perfectly able to sit still through a meal at a restaurant and behave.  

Me too  

10 year old child knows what is good and what is bad and stupid
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Yes, he is still a child but you don't forget that Christian is also a child and he is younger than Nikolai but you are waiting for something stupid and dangerous what Christian should do on the Victoria's wedding because (your diagnosis) he is mentally ill  

[Maria]

Allowing Nikolai to run around a restaurant shows a lack of respect for the other customers who were there to enjoy a meal.

    Children half that age can sit down and enjoy a meal at a restaurant without disturbing other customers. Alex should try and teach her children better manners!!

totally agree. a 10 year old is perfectly able to sit still through a meal at a restaurant and behave.  

Me too  

10 year old child knows what is good and what is bad and stupid
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Yes, he is still a child but you don't forget that Christian is also a child and he is younger than Nikolai but you are waiting for something stupid and dangerous what Christian should do on the Victoria's wedding because (your diagnosis) he is mentally ill  

There's a difference between knowing how to behave and actually behaving that way. Anyone with a child would know that I think 10 years or not - he's still a child.

Also - it's not everyone who thinks there something wrong with Christian PErsonally I think there's something wrong with his parents and of course he's not very old either. I hope he'll do fine at the wedding but if he doesn't, I'm certain it's because his parents hasn't prepared him well enough.