Could the Washington, DC trip have been a PLOY by Daisy

[lynda]

While Mary is in Australia, what have the other Danish Royals been doing.........................

[autumn]

I think this trip to DC was doomed to fail from the start. If Fred and Mary were looking to get attention in the USA, visiting the nations capital is not the best place to visit, but not because DC is used to having visiting dignitaries in town. I don't live in DC but live close enough that it's my home away from home. Whenever I'm there, I have yet to have a tourist, whether foreign or domestic, ask me if I knew if the president was home that day, or is there a notable Congressman walking around or if there was any dignitaries visiting and where could they go to see them. Instead I'm asked to point people in the direction of the White House, the Captial building, the Lincoln Memorial, the Archives Building, etc.

As for Arlington, it's probably a good thing that noone recognized the guests of honor. All of those tourists in that one photo probably spent at least a year planning and saving up for the family vacation to DC only to find out they couldn't go see JFK's grave, probably the biggest tourist spot in that whole cemetary. I for one, would be furious.

All in all, I agree with everyone that this trip was pointless and everything they did over a week could have been done in a day.

[zinzen]

Love your next queen's avatar!! 

Zinzen

[autumn]

Thanks, Zinzen. All the credit goes to Mary, she makes this too easy.

  back at you

[Diana Again]

Thanks Jewel.

In summary of the commentary I have made over the last 8 years re fred & mary:

1. mary is egocentric & attention seeking
2. mary craved the limelight and ideally would have liked to be an actress
3. mary appealed sexually to fred while in sydney, and fred was never in love with mary
4. mary pursued and manipulated fred all the way to dk, but fred had no intention to marry mary
5. fred was forced to marry mary by the queen and the situation that surrounded joachim and alex
6. fred relived his history and the person he was on his wedding day
7. mary has never loved fred and has been a destructive force in his life
8. while married, fred realised he could not tolerate mary forever, and developed the determination and plan to rid himself of her
9. mary's mental illness worsened as she became aware that fred was alienating himself from her
10. mary spends each and every day being violently angry because she can no longer manipulate fred
11. the marriage will end and mary's mental illness will exacerbate further



I dont believe that the above represents anything too Spooky, but rather is a catalogue of facts.  It is in fact reality, and i cannot help those who have difficulty facing reality and facts.  Those that have difficulty digesting the above should probably restrict themselves to reading fairytales.

You are so right Diana, how do you know these things?

[Diana Again]

Hey Getta,

yeah i see wher you're coming from, im just thinking if fred fully realised what she was all about from the time he got back to dk, but he still let her into his life, think back to the countless private engagements he allowed her to accompany him e.g.

1. the christening where she made her fist appearance along with amber
2. the wedding where she wore the coral dress
3. the wedding in cahors
4. the christening in winter where she wore that knitted scarf
5. kylie matthews wedding in sydney
6. melbourne cup aus.
7. sailing events in sydney
8. the weekend in skagen
9. and many more that i cant remember


so, im saying, fred knew for sure she was 1 fucked up individiual but still associated with her, so what is it about her that had him going back to her time and time again??

she either can suck longer and harder than any other of his sexual partners, or she has an amazingly robust self lubricating anus

spot on again Diana.

[BWpunisher]

she either can suck longer and harder than any other of his sexual partners, or she has an amazingly robust self lubricating anus

Well....



 

[pose]

apart from some alteration i already wrote about other places here, you are very good diana  have any of you ever met someone who just can't take no for an answer? kind of like the chic (janice?) with the annoying voice in "friends" who once dated chandler, who expect to go to his and monicas wedding thinking they saw her as family, but 1 000 000 000 times worse... that's how crazy mary is, and i guess that's one of the things diana express as mentally illness, mary invited herself to some of the happenings she went to with frederik, i even think she came uninvited once - or maybe ceveral tmes, i don't know everything lol - what do you do when something like that happens? i tell you it's not easy to have anything to do with mary, you simply don't know what to expect from her
pose

[winx]

Where you get this stuff!!??  

mary invited herself
she came uninvited



Both of your statements are the same thing   

[pocahontas]

so, im saying, fred knew for sure she was 1 fucked up individiual but still associated with her, so what is it about her that had him going back to her time and time again??

she either can suck longer and harder than any other of his sexual partners, or she has an amazingly robust self lubricating anus

I think most people choose a spouse who is like their parent in order to subconsciously re-create the environment they had growing up. (I have observed this in people I know). Margrethe is a strong woman and a distant mother. She became queen at a relatively young age and was confident as a young woman. She is used to power. She emasculates the men around her. Henrik has been pretty much just an ornament - a guy who just enjoys the good life allowed by his fortunate marriage. He wasn't a good masculine role model to Fred. Remember when Fred was doing that multi-week manly expedition to the arctic with a bunch of guys in the military and his Mommy swooped in to check on him? He must've been so embarrassed. There was nothing he could do about it.

Fred chose Mary who I would say has enormous fortitude (chasing Fred across the planet, remaining in a loveless relationship to get what she wants) and we know is also a distant mother and wife. Fred has re-created the dysfunction of his relationship with his mother in his own marriage.

I think Fred was always looking for a woman who would wear the pants. (I don't think Katja was that. She seems like someone who would go for a confident/assertive man. Haakon maybe? She must've been devastated that Fred didn't fight to keep her, and she had too much self-respect to do a Waity Katy or a Mary). Mary, on the other hand, fought to keep Fred - and got lucky with the circumstances in 2003. Fred didn't fight for her. That's not a surprise. He doesn't have the fortitude to fight for anything. And this is why he will probably never leave Mary. He will never fight for his own happiness. He will simply continue to sink into depression and unhappiness.

[Suiker Bolleke]

Yep, I agree about people ending up with someone who reminds them of their parent, I've said so myself when I first started posting here. It's because subconsciously they are seeking for their partner to heal wounds inflicted unconsciously by their parent, hoping their partner will act differently in like situations. So breaking that particular pattern of dysfunctional behaviour.

But clearly, Mary is beyond that rule because she seems to be a bit disturbed, Fweddie doesn't remind her of her dad, does he? 

I'd like to see them split, but I don't think he's got the guts, like you say. So will he sink deeper into depression and self-destructive behaviour? That's why these people fascinate me! They're just one big soap opera brought to us courtesy of danish taxpayers!

And the judgmental side says, he really deserves Mary.

[joys54]

so, im saying, fred knew for sure she was 1 fucked up individiual but still associated with her, so what is it about her that had him going back to her time and time again??

she either can suck longer and harder than any other of his sexual partners, or she has an amazingly robust self lubricating anus

I think most people choose a spouse who is like their parent in order to subconsciously re-create the environment they had growing up. (I have observed this in people I know). Margrethe is a strong woman and a distant mother. She became queen at a relatively young age and was confident as a young woman. She is used to power. She emasculates the men around her. Henrik has been pretty much just an ornament - a guy who just enjoys the good life allowed by his fortunate marriage. He wasn't a good masculine role model to Fred. Remember when Fred was doing that multi-week manly expedition to the arctic with a bunch of guys in the military and his Mommy swooped in to check on him? He must've been so embarrassed. There was nothing he could do about it.

Fred chose Mary who I would say has enormous fortitude (chasing Fred across the planet, remaining in a loveless relationship to get what she wants) and we know is also a distant mother and wife. Fred has re-created the dysfunction of his relationship with his mother in his own marriage.

I think Fred was always looking for a woman who would wear the pants. (I don't think Katja was that. She seems like someone who would go for a confident/assertive man. Haakon maybe? She must've been devastated that Fred didn't fight to keep her, and she had too much self-respect to do a Waity Katy or a Mary). Mary, on the other hand, fought to keep Fred - and got lucky with the circumstances in 2003. Fred didn't fight for her. That's not a surprise. He doesn't have the fortitude to fight for anything. And this is why he will probably never leave Mary. He will never fight for his own happiness. He will simply continue to sink into depression and unhappiness.

Excellent post pocahontas, well said!

[pocahontas]

But clearly, Mary is beyond that rule because she seems to be a bit disturbed, Fweddie doesn't remind her of her dad, does he? 

I don't know enough about the dysfunction in the Donaldson household (in particular between Pa John and his wife) to be able to say what environment Mary was trying to re-create by marrying Fred. But for sure, fame whoring and social climbing was a value instilled in the Donaldson household. I'm guessing that John was the dominant figure and his wife was submissive. (He uprooted the family several times to advance his career and Etta apparently went along with it).

Mary being dominant (she identifies more with her father than her mother) meant she was looking for a submissive spouse. That, coupled with the family's social ambitions meant that Mary's ideal partner would be a weak man of means. She had several princely choices that fateful night at the Slip Inn. She made moves for Nik and Felipe who both spurned her. But Fred did not and she immediately identified her suitable prey. Fred didn't stand a chance due to his weakness.

Mary's sisters may or may not have married weak men, but they hunger for the social status that they didn't achieve in their marriages. Thus, they are eager to ride on Mary's royal coat tails.

The DRF and the Donaldsons are truly fascinating from a psychological perspective.

[Holly Golightly]

Good post, Pocahontas.  Maybe Fredrietta reminds Mary of her mother.

[pocahontas]

Good post, Pocahontas.  Maybe Fredrietta reminds Mary of her mother.

Thanks, Holly.
After this analysis, I'm pretty sure F&M will stay married (even in name only) - unless Fred gets therapy and experiences a miraculous transformation or unless Margrethe intercedes and forces a divorce.

Mary will never leave because she gets too much from having a weak husband who provides her with wealth and social status. Fred will never leave because being passive surrounded by strong women is the environment he is used to. I'm not sure he could function without a strong female presence to cower behind. He's never been truly his own man. He didn't have strong male influences.

But the weight of the dysfunction in their relationship shows in both Mary and Fred. Their bodies and faces show their unhappiness. But neither has the desire to make the hard choices to change their situation.