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« on: June 28, 2010, 11:49:59 PM »

Not just for Marie, but also for Joachim.

If you recall from June of last year, Jyllands-Posten published the results of a poll from Rambøll taken for Henrik's birthday.
 
This was a real poll from a real newspaper (in other words, not a tabloid), which is hardly the same as some
poll on the Hello website with the sugarboarders voting every 10 minutes.



Marie scored a lowly 36.6% and Joachim had a huge drop: from 84.6% in 2004 to 44.6% in June 2009.
 


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Of all the royal family, Prince Joachim’s approval rating dropped most, going from 84.6 percent in 2004 to only 44.6 percent today. He was divorced from the popular Princess Alexandra - now the Countess of Frederiksborg - in 2006.
 
Joachim married for a second time last year, but his new wife, Princess Marie, has apparently not proved herself to the public yet, scoring only 36.6 percent.
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http://www.cphpost.dk/new...6-royal-ratings-drop.html



The same firm took a poll in March of this year and the results were published in Jyllands-Posten in April. You can read more about it here.
 
http://trondni.blogspot.c...roval-ratings-mostly.html


Joachim has dropped from 44.6% to 35.6% (with 26.6% disapproving) and Marie has dropped from 36.6% to 30.6% (with 23.5% disapproving).
 
These are dreadful, dreadful numbers, but I'm sure that the sugary bonbon people will find a way to spin these numbers. (Go ahead, spin away! You might be able to spin the results of one poll, but two polls taken months apart?)
 
Possible spin from the sugary bonbons:
 
Marie is unpopular because Joachim is unpopular.
 
If that's true, then why are her poll numbers worse than his? He does have slightly worse disapproval numbers, but his approval ratings are still 5 points higher.
 
It's as though Marie is dragging Joachim down in her suckage. He's dropped 49 points since 2004! (By comparison, Henrik has dropped 17 points since 2004.) That's a pretty dramatic plunge and there can be no
ambiguity about that.
 
The DRF as a whole just isn't as popular as it used to be (the approval ratings have dropped since 2004 and I don't see how the numbers can ever reach those heights again) but dropping 49 points is serious business!  Marie has already dropped 6 points in less than a year. These two are on a downward trajectory to the center of the earth.
 
 
Another possible spin from the sugary bonbons:
 
Danes just don't know enough about Marie.
 
Now this is completely ludicrous because she has been very well exposed from the start and she's had a documentary and lots of interviews. I'm not just talking about post-marriage interviews, but let's not forget the endless pre-engagement interviews that Marie eagerly conducted with the tabloids. Let's not forget the many, many times Marie posed directly for the cameras, the times she posed with reporters, that special time she signed her autograph for Ekstra Bladet, and that very, very special time she posed for her own Starmakers photo shoot for EB in her Geneva apartment building. (Remember the Geneva flat that her daddy bought for her birthday, as she herself told BB.)
 
(For those of you who think Marie married Joachim for the man and not the title, then why was she parading herself in front of the cameras and conducting interviews with tabloids more than a year before the
official engagement? She told BB that she loved Joachim very much, but that she hadn't told him yet. Why did she pose with a couple of tabloid reporters and sign her autograph for EB if she wasn't interested in the title?)
 
She told us a lot about herself, and how generous for her to do that long before an official engagement! She's been overexposed from the start and that was her own doing, thanks to her gigantic blabbermouth and
love of posing directly for the cameras.
 
The first poll was taken in June 2009, right after Marie had her baby and wedding, and there were all kinds of sugary stories in the media. Still, her approval rating was only 36.6%
 
So despite all of the sugary stories from the media, Team Joachim Marie just isn't very popular with the public. I wouldn't call 35.6% and 30.6% a blazing success.
 
After that first poll was released last June, the court must have worked to come up with a strategery (yes, the Saturday Night Live word) to improve Joachim and Marie's abysmal poll numbers. That would explain the way the court has been besieging the Danish public with more and more official pics!
 
Now the unpopular couple has been doing lots of fluffy interviews, but that first poll was taken in June 2009, after the baby and the wedding. You'd think that all of that sugary wedding and baby coverage would result in good approval ratings. If they couldn't score good approval ratings at that time, then what makes them think those numbers could improve? In fact, the numbers have gone down from June 2009 to March 2010 and their negatives have increased even though there were all of those sugary stories. The two are approaching the depths of Henrik's poll numbers.
 
 
Maybe Joachim is happy that he is finally more popular than his wife. When he was married to Alexandra, she was always outscoring him. But can he really be happy that he and Marie have such miserable poll
numbers? I can believe that Dick Cheney didn't give a sh*t about his approval ratings while VP, but I don't think Joachim is the same way. Why else would he be doing so many official pics and fluffy interviews
with Marie? It's because he does care about his public image!
 
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« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2010, 11:56:49 PM »

well I'm not surprised by the results though I find Marie to be much more charming than her sil I have no idea what does she bring to the DRF

welcome to the board  lucia  Star

I also think It has to do with the Danish media IMO the popularity of the DRF and It's members depends on the sugar campaign the Danish media is pulling

IMO neither Mary or Alex would have been that popular  If the media 24 cycle wouldn't brand them all the time as 'perfect" and in fact as "popular" and loved
I have yet to see Marie being handled the same as Mary the over the top adoring way so therefore It doesn't built her popularity as  much
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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2010, 12:39:20 AM »

Well said, hanzo.
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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2010, 12:46:57 AM »

The poll numbers are quite hard to dispute if the poll was conducted scientifically by the newspaper.  I'll be curious to know if they did any follow-up questions to determine why or what they disapprove of Marie.  Did they posted the entire DRF numbers and also Fred and Mary's?  It'll be interested to know if Mary's poll numbers declined also and by what percentage.

I never liked the idea that Marie was so chatty with the press before her marriage and her wearing shorts (along with Apple) to work didn't seem like she had a really professional or important position.
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2010, 01:00:30 AM »

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I think that one of the reasons might be that people are sick of paying for the DRF.  They are extended members (not the crowned heirs) and maybe the public sees them as a waste of money. 
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2010, 12:59:29 PM »


Joachim has dropped from 44.6% to 35.6% (with 26.6% disapproving) and Marie has dropped from 36.6% to 30.6% (with 23.5% disapproving).
 
These are dreadful, dreadful numbers, but I'm sure that the sugary bonbon people will find a way to spin these numbers. (Go ahead, spin away! You might be able to spin the results of one poll, but two polls taken months apart?)
 

I'm a bit puzzled as to why Joachim should be so unpopular. But Marie I can certainly understand. She's almost invisble. The other day I went through all the royal engagements for the past 3 months and found that she had 8 in totalt  Thumb down Three of those were in relation to the celebrations of the Queens 70th Birthday and one was attending an award ceremony. Two were in French. She doesn't exactly seem to be working hard. And of the 5 patronages listed on the DRF's website, one is giving away a prize to a French speaking writer on behalf of the ambassadors of French speaking countries to Denmark, one is The Danish Ski Federation and one is something to do with jewellery. Not exactly things that affect much of the population. No wonder her popularity isn't soaring.

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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2010, 01:20:02 PM »

Louisa, I just love that photo you have up.  Is that a cake shop near you?

I think you're right in saying she's invisible.  If she she had more engagements, I'm sure it would make a difference.  What I don't understand is that neither Mary nor Fred are exactly workaholics but they seem to be quite popular.  I really have no idea how these polls come about
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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2010, 01:42:50 PM »

Louisa, I just love that photo you have up.  Is that a cake shop near you?

Thanks  Smiley But unfortunately no, the photo is from when I was in Vienna. The cakes had a Marie Antoinette theme and I thought it'd be perfect as an avatar here  Wink

What I don't understand is that neither Mary nor Fred are exactly workaholics but they seem to be quite popular.  I really have no idea how these polls come about

I agree. I'm at a total loss as to how they have stayed so popular. Of course there is all the propaganda, but even so they keep slipping up and on live television as well so I really don't get it  Thinking
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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2010, 01:50:28 PM »

I love window shopping, you see, but it's not the clothes shops I look at but the food shops  Grin

I was wondering why this poll came out and if we'll be having a poll soon regarding Mary and Fred.  I bet it will be a much better result than Joachim and Marie's.  I think the problem with Marie is that she's not glamorous enough, which is precisely why I think she's nice but obviously many people disagree with me.  One thing you have to give Mary is that she knows how to play the "Princess" of fairytales and so it doesn't matter if she's not the Princess of Substance.  Thinness, lots of clothes, show up to royal weddings and galas and children's events and you've got it made!
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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2010, 01:55:31 PM »

Louisa, I just love that photo you have up.  Is that a cake shop near you?
Thanks  Smiley But unfortunately no, the photo is from when I was in Vienna. The cakes had a Marie Antoinette theme and I thought it'd be perfect as an avatar here  Wink

"Let them eat cake."  Love it!  And welcome to the board, Louisa.
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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2010, 02:05:59 PM »

I love window shopping, you see, but it's not the clothes shops I look at but the food shops  Grin

I was wondering why this poll came out and if we'll be having a poll soon regarding Mary and Fred.  I bet it will be a much better result than Joachim and Marie's.  I think the problem with Marie is that she's not glamorous enough, which is precisely why I think she's nice but obviously many people disagree with me.  One thing you have to give Mary is that she knows how to play the "Princess" of fairytales and so it doesn't matter if she's not the Princess of Substance.  Thinness, lots of clothes, show up to royal weddings and galas and children's events and you've got it made!


According to the link, all the members of the royal family were included in the poll:

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Queen Margrethe is still the most popular royal, though public opinion has also declined somewhat for her as well. After getting a whopping 96.5 percent approval rating in 2004, the figure is now at 81.3 percent.

Her son, Crown Prince Frederik, also remains popular, though, like his mother, less so than five years ago. His approval rating has dropped from 90.7 percent to 80.4 percent.

Frederik’s wife, Crown Princess Mary, did not appear in the 2004 survey, having only married into the royal family that year. But in the latest poll Mary has an 82.2 percent approval rating.

Mary, God help us, is apparently the most popular one of the bunch  Nerves The article says differently, though, stating that Margethe is the most popular royal. Maybe they meant 83.1% instead of 81.3%? A little confusing...
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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2010, 02:06:51 PM »

Louisa, I just love that photo you have up.  Is that a cake shop near you?
Thanks  Smiley But unfortunately no, the photo is from when I was in Vienna. The cakes had a Marie Antoinette theme and I thought it'd be perfect as an avatar here  Wink

"Let them eat cake."  Love it!  And welcome to the board, Louisa.

Thank you very much  Grin
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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2010, 02:25:32 PM »

Mary, God help us, is apparently the most popular one of the bunch  Nerves The article says differently, though, stating that Margethe is the most popular royal. Maybe they meant 83.1% instead of 81.3%? A little confusing...
Regardless of what most of us here think about Mary, the Danes seem to love of her.  I still would love to know what the people poled based their approval on. I'm sure the media's constant glorification and deification of Mary makes a huge difference. But, does the Danish media do the same for Daisy?  If not, Mary's approval cannot solely be due to the constant media approval. 
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« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2010, 02:40:59 PM »

Welcome Louisa and Lucia  Hug
Here's a  Star for both of you. Love your avatar too Louisa  Drool

Regardless of what most of us here think about Mary, the Danes seem to love of her.  I still would love to know what the people poled based their approval on. I'm sure the media's constant glorification and deification of Mary makes a huge difference. But, does the Danish media do the same for Daisy?  If not, Mary's approval cannot solely be due to the constant media approval. 

Media doesn't say anything bad about Mares, not even in Sweden. Everything she does is just wonderful and amazing  . They did publish some very unflattering photos of Jokke during the divorce. But if the drop in popularity for Jokke can be blamed on the divorce, there's no way Freddles will divorce Mares  No
Even if media did start to write, at least neutral, about her, I think people have been brainwashed by now...
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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2010, 02:42:04 PM »

If all you ever see is pictures of Mary then of course you are going to believe that she is the hardest worker, does most etc. It was a popular misconception in the 80s and 90s that Diana was the hardest working member of the BRF and yet, Anne, the Queen and Prince Philip and Prince Charles all did more engagements on average than she did, but she was the one getting all the attention so people were aware of how much she was working and not so aware of how much others were doing.
I'm not saying that Marie works hard but if you don't know what she is doing then you are going to assume shes doing nothing... nobody likes a lazy bones so she is not going to be popular with people.
IMHO if Mary and Marie got the same level of media attention for everything they did Marie would soon outshine Mary and NO ONE in the DRF is going to let that happen....fact.
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