Marie's abysmal poll numbers

[Gwen]

 
I don't get this stuff about Marie being authentic. As soon as the media came knocking, she chattered and posed (bending down and posing with reporters) and signed her autograph. What's authentic about genuflecting before the mighty EB god, posing with their reporter, and signing her autograph? Is that what is meant by "keeping it real"?
 
Posing directly for the cameras and giving the press updates about your love life are just keeping it real. It has absolutely nothing to do with being an unintelligent showoff. Bending down for EB just means that you are being true to yourself. It has absolutely nothing to do with being a simpleton. It's really strange that someone who has lived in Switzerland for years doesn't understand the concept of discretion.

For starters, Marie keeps it real because she seems to be the same person she was in those pictures with the short shorts, only with a little less bronzer. There has been no huge makeover, no wardrobe full of Prada, from the flip flops to the sunglasses. She's more real because in her 'fluffy' interviews she doesn't speak in cardboard sentences but sounds like a regular person who's talking in her own voice. I could go and on, but what's the point? You've posted eight times on the board and half of those posts are against Marie, so obviously that's why you're here. Enjoy! 

As for Switzerland and discretion, with arms dealers, Nazi-related fortunes and other shady characters benefiting from the supposed discretion, that's hardly a good thing.

[shoshanah]

Great post, Gwen!

Just like Marie nonfans refuse to see anything good in her, I refuse to care about a poll.  We all know that Mary's topped a bunch of best dressed polls and what a joke THAT is.

[Gwen]

Good point, Shoshana. For example, the sugar press said Mary stole the show in Sweden but we all know the one who stole the show was Victoria, and rightly so!

[pixiecat]

Gwen and Shosh-I agree with you both 100%  

Marie is a refreshing change from Mary and like Tigerben said earlier, she's someone I wouldn't mind having a drink with.  As long as she doesn't turn into a media whore who only cares about wearing designer labels and fame whoring, I will continue to like her.  She's low key and seems sweet.  Jokke likes her and she looks like a good mother to that gorgeous little Henrik.  I can't say any of these things about Mary.  Her husband doesn't seem to like her and she doesn't seem like a very good mother. 

[shastadaisy]

Thanks everyone for the interesting posts. 

I like Marie, but she had her reasons, too for casting her net Joachim's way.  She wanted to be a princess, live in a castle (thinking here of DRF castles not Shack) and be part of a royal family.  Nothing wrong with that.  Like all the women who marry royal men, the fact that he was a prince was part of his appeal.

Sometimes with Marie I think of the expression "Dumb, but happy" and I don't mean that in a nasty way.  I just think she's not such a deep thinker, but is happy with how her life turned out.

One thing I admire about Marie is she doesn't really seem to care what people think about her. 

I suspect Mary cares VERY MUCH what people think about her.

[dutchess]

Couldn't her abysmal numbers have anything to do with the fact that she simply doesn't seem to work and takes that stupid furball with her all the time?? She doesn't strike me as a very mature adult.

I agree.  Granted, Marie is authentic and has never pretended to be someone that she isn't - super professional woman and style icon - as Mary.  The documentary showed a woman who put on no airs and was almost honest about everything (never bought that story that she and Joachim only had contact until after his divorce). But, I just don't get why so many posters have placed Marie on such a high pedestal. I like Marie, for who she is and for what she has presented herself as - a loving wife and an extremely dedicated mother of a beautiful adorable little boy (and let's not forget her dedication to her little fur ball, which I think is a good thing). She has never struck me as a professional woman with a passion for anything grand (unlike Mary) other than pursuing happiness in her life - and that's not a bad thing.  It seems that she prefers to make sure that her family is happy and secure.  Look how attached she is to Apple and take him/her everywhere. Perhaps she doesn't want to spend a lot of time away from her son and have him raised by a cadre of nannies.  I think Marie will do just the minimum that she has to do - and no more.  She will master Danish quicker than Mary ever will.  

Great post, Bystander. I agree with everything you said, including the comment about the dog. Why should anyone fault her for loving her pet, I don't know. I am always suspicious of people who hate animals, they must be cold and unfeeling, imo.

Gwen, I do NOT hate animals, in fact I love them and I have had dogs for almost 40 years now and I certainly do not consider myself cold en unfeeling.  What I do not like however is if grown up women take their toydogs with them every step they take, very Paris Hilton imo. You don't see Ziggy or Winston out and about all the time, do you?

[Gwen]

Couldn't her abysmal numbers have anything to do with the fact that she simply doesn't seem to work and takes that stupid furball with her all the time?? She doesn't strike me as a very mature adult.

Great post, Bystander. I agree with everything you said, including the comment about the dog. Why should anyone fault her for loving her pet, I don't know. I am always suspicious of people who hate animals, they must be cold and unfeeling, imo.

Gwen, I do NOT hate animals, in fact I love them and I have had dogs for almost 40 years now and I certainly do not consider myself cold en unfeeling.  What I do not like however is if grown up women take their toydogs with them every step they take, very Paris Hilton imo. You don't see Ziggy or Winston out and about all the time, do you?

I wasn't referring to you personally, although I have to say that calling the dog a "stupid furball" is not very nice. As for Ziggy and Winston, they are of a different breed. Apple is a toy breed, and that's why she can be carried around. I don't think Marie is trying to imitate Paris Hilton at all, and in France dogs are welcome in many public places, even restaurants, so maybe it's a cultural thing. Anyway, if one doesn't like Marie, nothing she does is any good, imo, but it's hardly the fault of the dog.

[lynda]

Couldn't her abysmal numbers have anything to do with the fact that she simply doesn't seem to work and takes that stupid furball with her all the time?? She doesn't strike me as a very mature adult.

Dutchess...............I love that cute furball, and Apple is very well behaved,,,,,,,,,Apple doesn't get in the way of anything,,,,its cute how she loves him/her (is it a boy or girl??)

[jmj21983]

I don't get this stuff about Marie being authentic. As soon as the media came knocking, she chattered and posed (bending down and posing with reporters) and signed her autograph. What's authentic about genuflecting before the mighty EB god, posing with their reporter, and signing her autograph? Is that what is meant by "keeping it real"?
 
Posing directly for the cameras and giving the press updates about your love life are just keeping it real. It has absolutely nothing to do with being an unintelligent showoff. Bending down for EB just means that you are being true to yourself. It has absolutely nothing to do with being a simpleton. It's really strange that someone who has lived in Switzerland for years doesn't understand the concept of discretion.

I think in a way Marie was being authentic by talking with journalists/reporters and posing for pictures.  Would have been more "real" to be the queen of "no comment" like Mary but then after the wedding posing for multiple magazine covers (and most of them being non Danish)?  Sure talking to EB wasn't the smartest thing but there is a possibilty Marie didn't even know who EB was (doubt Ekstra Bladet is well known outside of Denmark).  And maybe she likes the attention but it's pretty clear she's not the only princess who does.

[Little_star]

I think in a way Marie was being authentic by talking with journalists/reporters and posing for pictures.  Would have been more "real" to be the queen of "no comment" like Mary but then after the wedding posing for multiple magazine covers (and most of them being non Danish)?  Sure talking to EB wasn't the smartest thing but there is a possibilty Marie didn't even know who EB was (doubt Ekstra Bladet is well known outside of Denmark).  And maybe she likes the attention but it's pretty clear she's not the only princess who does.

ITA. Not everybody out there is a PR expert and it is clear from the photos that these weren't major planned photoshoots- she looked as though she'd just got back from walking the dog!

Btw, great posts, PeDe, Bystander, Gwen, shosh, tigerben and shastadaisy!

[Cece]

I think in a way Marie was being authentic by talking with journalists/reporters and posing for pictures.  Would have been more "real" to be the queen of "no comment" like Mary but then after the wedding posing for multiple magazine covers (and most of them being non Danish)?  Sure talking to EB wasn't the smartest thing but there is a possibilty Marie didn't even know who EB was (doubt Ekstra Bladet is well known outside of Denmark). And maybe she likes the attention but it's pretty clear she's not the only princess who does.

I agree with you, too, jmj. Mary's 'no comment' was coldly calculated. Marie - like most of us - was not press savvy in the beginning of her relationship with Joachim. Heck, she'd never dated a public person before, although Mary had sure tried! The media are sneaky and wasn't it Anna Johannesen of sugary Billed Bladet (NOT cynical Ekstra Bladet) who cosied up to Marie on the street in Geneva and sweet-talked her into talking and posing for a few shots? Even pretty smart people could be hoodwinked into what seems like a nice, sympathetic, girl-to-girl chat about the super neat guy they're dating and Marie was coo-coo enough about Joachim to blabber a bit more than would be advised about how much she liked this nice reporter lady's country's prince. Very authentic, and it's not like she laid out her plans for the rehabilitation of the monarchy with stupid declarations about infidelity and nannies. Plus, that interview was the end of any more interviews which clearly points to the fact that she learned her lesson. But she's smart enough not to now go all black sunglasses and smirk when the press wants something - she understands the game of it all and the obligatory trade-off and has achieved - no doubt with the help of her husband - a nice healthy balance. This whole public life thing was the reason behind her and Joachim's break-up, after all. She had to privately come to terms with that issue and as we all know, her love for the man weighed heavier than cynicism about the press. The Schacks are media-savvy on the whole, and those kids are going to be better off because of their parents' healthy attitude.

[Cece]

Btw, great posts, PeDe, Bystander, Gwen, shosh, tigerben and shastadaisy!

LS, please don't take this the wrong way, I'm not trying to single you out, this message is for all of us. But this made me a little sad. After a point with listing names, wouldn't it be better to just say 'great posts, everyone!' even if we really don't mean everyone? It's so much more inclusive. The board has gotten strangely clique-ish lately and I think the more we nuture community, the better.   for your wonderful posts and inclusive nature and for letting me rant.

[divinemiss]

I don't think that Marie is an Icon or anything she just seems like a really lucky person....happy, married to the man she loves, beautiful child and step-children and has no real money worries......and she seems to appreciate how lucky she is. Mary and Fred give the impression of being so busy seeing what they've not got that they can't appreciate what they do have.
I know everyone goes on about Marie being lazy and her saying that her first priority lay in being a wife and mother like its a bad thing but, IMO shes just showing that she understands what her role actually is within the DRF........
It is the job of Mary, Fred, Christian and Isabella to carry forward the DRF with the Shacks supporting (and only supporting as long as Danes are happy to pony up for extended family members....)
As Freds children grow and age then the Shacks roles will reduce further as Christian and Isabella take on royal roles etc. and the cycle will continue when Christian has a family, Isabella and her family will be far less prominent etc. etc.

[enelya]

I think that's why I enjoy Marie far more than Mary.

Marie knows she's lucky imo, in that she has the man she loves with a beautiful little princeling of her own and a happy life. She seems to get the role. Mary on the other hand doesn't show appreciation that she's lucky and expects the world to know that their lucky to breath the same oxygen as she does.

[Idun]

I think that's why I enjoy Marie far more than Mary.

Marie knows she's lucky imo, in that she has the man she loves with a beautiful little princeling of her own and a happy life. She seems to get the role. Mary on the other hand doesn't show appreciation that she's lucky and expects the world to know that their lucky to breath the same oxygen as she does.

Great post  , I agree with you on everything except that oxygen part... I doubt that breathing the same air as Mares would be beneficial for the health