Fred/JOkke item for translation ....

[Hester]

Please pretty please can someone translate this item? Is it about Jokke dispensing brotherly advice to Fred?

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Forholdet mellem Prins Joachim, 41, og Kronprins Frederik, 42, er aldrig blevet det samme efter Joachims skilsmisse fra Grevinde Alexandra for seks år siden.

Det skriver Ekstra Bladet.

Fredag afslørede Prins Joachim, at han først fik besked om Marys graviditet i forrige uge - godt to måneder efter at Kronprins Frederik og Kronprinsesse Mary fik bekræftet at hun var gravid med tvillinger.

- Visse beskeder giver man ikke over telefonen, sagde Joachim lørdag til Ekstra Bladet, og medgav på den måde, at han ikke havde set sin storebror i månedsvis.

Ekstra Bladet fremhæver dog, at han selv har brugt sin mobil til at give Frederik mange store nyheder - f.eks. sendte han ham en SMS med nyheden om at han havde friet til Prinsesse Marie.


Prins Joachim under weekendens Copenhagen Historic Grand Prix på Østerbro

Skilsmissen fra Alexandra faldt sammen med Kronprins Frederiks forberedelser til brylluppet med Mary, og det var ifølge Prins Joachim en af årsagerne til at han ikke inddrog ham i sine problemer.

- Og måske min bror følte sig lidt snydt, fordi jeg ikke delte det med ham. Men måske var det også min måde at handle på, når man står i en så ukendt situation og ikke vil vise svaghedstegn. Jeg ville ikke belemre ham med det, når han stod i sine gladeste omstændigheder og uden mulighed for at yde erfaring, siger Joachim i Gitte Redder og Karin Palshøjs bog Frederik - Kronprins af Danmark.

- Jeg tror, at jeg skuffede ham meget ved ikke at bruge ham mere, erkender Joachim i bogen.

I samme bog fortæller Frederik, at han ikke bruger Joachim, når han skal træffe store beslutninger.

- Jeg spørger meget min mor til råds. Ved siden af Mary (...) er hun min nærmeste rådgiver. Hos dem får jeg god hjælp, siger Frederik, der også har et nært forhold til Kronprinsesse Victoria.

Hende har Prins Joachim ifølge Ekstra Bladet et anstrengt forhold til.

- Victoria og jeg støtter og hjælper hinanden, bruger hinandens erfaringer og har det godt sammen, siger Frederik i bogen.

[winx]

Very interesting!! We all knew their relation was not all ok since 2004!! But why they bring this to the public now. My mind wonders, so many reasons   ................and all of them leads to Mary!!  Maybe Pose was not far from the truth after all!! If Frederick would have known (according to what is in the article) maybe he would have made another decision. But if he knew then I understand why he could be mad at him for having to marry Mary!!

Google translation!!

Joachim : I disappointed Frederick
09/08/10 11:45not consulted with his brother when he had problems in her marriage
The relationship between Prince Joachim, 41, and Crown Prince Frederik, 42, was never the same after Joachim's divorce from Countess Alexandra six years ago .

It writes Ekstra Bladet .

Friday revealed that Prince Joachim, his first were told about Mary's pregnancy last week - just over two months after Crown Prince Frederik and Princess Mary was confirmed that she was pregnant with twins.

- Some messages would not provide over the phone , "said Joachim Saturday to Ekstra Bladet , and conceded in the manner that he had not seen his brother in the month .

Ekstra Bladet highlights , however, that he himself has used his mobile to give Frederik many great news - for example . he sent him an SMS with the news that he had wooed the Princess Marie.

[winx]

But also a way to let everyone know that Jokke will be Fred's support when he divorces Mary
No wonder Mary waves her ringless hand!!

[Charlotte]

Gramtrans.com provides excellent translation services:

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Joachim: I have disappointed Frederik

09/08/10 11: 45 Didn't consult with one's big brother, when he had problems in his marriage


The relation between Prins Joachim, 41, and Kronprins Frederik, 42, has never become the same after Joachim's divorce from Grevinde Alexandra six years ago.

That is what Ekstra Bladet writes.

On Friday Prins Joachim revealed that he first got message about Mary's pregnancy last week - good two months after Kronprins Frederik and Kronprinsesse Mary managed to confirm that she was pregnant with twins.

- Certain messages do not give you over the telephone, Joachim said on Saturday to Ekstra Bladet, and admitted in that way that he had not seen his big brother for many months.

Ekstra Bladet emphasizes however that he has used his mobile phone himself to give Frederik many great news - for example he sent him an SMS with the news that he had proposed to Prinsesse Marie.

the divorce from Alexandra declined together by Kronprins Frederik's preparations for the wedding with Mary, and it was according to Prins Joachim one of the reasons why he didn't involve him in his problems.

- And maybe my brother felt a little cheated, because I didn't share him. But maybe it also was my way to act, when one doesn't stand in a so unknown situation and signs of weakness want to show. I didn't want to encumber him with it, when he stood in his happiest circumstances and without the possibility to yield experience, Joachim says in Gitte Redder and Karin Palshøj's book Frederik - Kronprin's de-Denmark.

- I think that I didn't disappoint him very much by using him any more, Joachim acknowledges in the book.


In the same book Frederik tells that he not any user Joachim, when he must make great decisions.

- I consult my mother very much. Beside Mary ( ...) is she my closest adviser. With them I get good help, says Frederik, who also has a close relationship with Crown Princess Victoria.

Her Prins Joachim has a strained relationship with according to Ekstra Bladet

- Victoria and I support and help each other, use each other's experiences and are fine together, Frederik says in the book.

[Charlotte]

Time for Fred to forgive, forget, and move on.  Prince Joachim would be the best advisor for him.

[lynda]

Actually I admire Joachim for not dumping all his persona; problems onto brother Fred.
Fred doesn't handle problems very well in the first place, and he was in a relationship with Mary---why bring unhappiness to Fred (when their was nothing Fred could have done..............except support (hopefully) his brother, but then again with Fred he may have supported Alex

[Tanja]

Joachim were drinking too much too long and chasing girls far too young - age 16-17.

No wonder Frederik could ask himself why Joachim did not seek any aid.

[shoshanah]

That was years ago.  Frederik is still a cry baby blaming his mommy and daddy for his miserable life.

[Idun]

Great find Hester   
What bothers me the most is the fact that Fred doesn't think of what was best for Joachim, but instead think about himself. If you're going through a divorce, then some people prefer to keep things to themselfs, he's not doing anything wrong by not telling his brother everything

I'm still very confused by the fact that Joachim dislike Victoria

[lynda]

Great find Hester   
What bothers me the most is the fact that Fred doesn't think of what was best for Joachim, but instead think about himself. If you're going through a divorce, then some people prefer to keep things to themselfs, he's not doing anything wrong by not telling his brother everything

I'm still very confused by the fact that Joachim dislike Victoria

At the Greek wedding how was Joachim treated by Victoria,W-A,Haakon
Joachim was seen at with his Spanish & Greek cousins having a good time.